UPDATE (February 13, 2015):
Forget about how bizarre Gone Girl was because this week, the film adaptation of E.L. James’ wildly popular book, Fifty Shades of Grey, opens nationwide. A lukewarm reception from American critics says expectations are met – and that the adaptation is a flatly acted soft-core porn that almost can’t survive against the rampant hardcore-porn in American society.
I’m paraphrasing a few reviews to give you that statement. However, I believe it’s interesting to note that since I drafted this initial article, there have been even more instances of bizarre sex featured across all forms of media – television, film and music. Again, I’m only mentioning a few instances – so if there are any you would like to add or discuss, please do so in the comments section below.
Leading up to the Fifty Shades premiere, the movie has been met with a furious backlash. Premieres have been protested worldwide (ex. London and the United States), petitions have been circulated to ban the film’s release (by the National Center on Sexual Exploitation) and the movie has been censored (ex. Philippines) or even banned (Malaysia) in some countries.
There’s even been a legal battle between Universal Pictures and porn production company Smash Pictures over film rights.
What all of this serves to do is promote the movie. Everyone in the world is aware of the adaptation – as such, Fifty Shades of Grey is projected to open domestically above $100 million. With a production budget of $40 million, an opening that size makes the film automatically profitable. Factor in the global appeal – and it’s a foregone conclusion that this movie will set the tone for media sex in the coming months/years.
The books are popular because they offer explicit sexual encounters – ranging from the much-discussed, but omitted from the movie, tampon scene, to the whips, leather, cuffs and blindfolds. People want to experience this fantasy – which was the driving force behind all the bizarre sex I’d written about previously.
Let me clarify, I’m not using “bizarre” in a negative way – I’m using it to categorize the type of sex we’re seeing or hearing about in media. It’s the kind of sex that infuriates and offends some people – that questions “morality” – but that also arouses other, more liberal (or sexually free/adventurous?) people.
The forbidden nature of this bizarre sex is intriguing – and it will cause some to rebel. For an illustration of this, look at the IMDB ratings breakdown (so far):

You’ll note that Fifty Shades of Grey is performing better with audiences under 18 – and particularly with females. That was always to be expected. What’s really interesting to note though, is the disproportionate number of people giving it a “1” rating. It’s safe to assume that many of those votes came from the same people calling for a boycott of the movie, right? I’d bet on it.

Regardless, Fifty Shades of Grey will be a global phenomenon, despite the low user-rating. To illustrate this point, one only needs to look at an article published by Bloomberg Business on February 13, 2015, the article reports that the anticipated release of the adaptation has given a boost to sex toy sales.
People want to live this fantasy – they want to see it, to be voyeurs. We are the drivers to this bizarre sex addiction. This phenomenon, which I’m labeling as the “Fifty Shades Effect,” has even grabbed hold of our beloved Disney princesses (as seen here), who have been created in depictions of some of the novel’s most talked about scenes.
This movie is a milestone in pop culture – and it’s complimented in pop culture by other media, like the newly released “Truffle Butter” by Nicki Minaj ft. Drake and Lil’ Wayne, for instance. As defined by Urban Dictionary, “Truffle Butter is when you pull you dick out of the asshole an continue fucking her pussy, and the tan buttery substance around her pussy is truffle butter.”
While music has a tendency toward more explicit content on a regular basis, it should be noted that songs about things like “truffle butter” reflect our attitudes about sex in culture. Would a song like this even be made if the media climate wasn’t permitting themes of BDSM, role-play, bestiality, necrophilia, etc.?
The answer is no – but as our attitudes about sex shift into a more liberal space, people are owning their sexuality – and they’re being empowered by media. There will become a thought that “What I’m doing isn’t that bad.”
Recently, beyond the BDSM of Fifty Shades Grey, we’ve seen continued themes of infidelity everywhere – from popular dramas like ABC’s hit Scandal to freshman dramas like How to Get Away with Murder. These worlds where these characters exist are bizarre – but pleasurably intriguing. Who’s not rooting for Fitz and Olivia Pope, or “Olitz” as the show’s fans have named them.
Bizarre sex has even permeated TV comedies. For example, the USA original series Sirens just featured a character who was admitted to the hospital for a head injury while role-playing. He was a superhero coming to the aid of a woman tied to the bed. When the responders (the show’s protagonists) asked who called for help, the couple admitted it was their neighbor, who they “let watch.”
Watching – that’s what we love to do. We’re voyeurs in this media climate of free-range sex. I’d like to revisit a show I wrote about last year that’s continued to deliver bizarre sex in primetime: the most recent installment of American Horror Story, Freak Show. The fourth season of the popular FX drama featured a psychosexual sociopath named Dandy Mott (Finn Wittrock), a ventriloquist named Chester (Neil Patrick Harris) in love with his doll Marjorie (Jamie Brewer), manipulative and murderous homosexuals Stanley (Denis O’Hare) and Dell Toledo (Michael Chiklis) and the carnival owner, Elsa Mars (Jessica Lange), who was a victim of rape and bodily dismemberment during sex.
Those are just the tips of the iceberg for AHS, too. The framing and situations surrounding the Dandy Mott character were hyper-sexualized – especially in an episode titled “Pink Cupcakes” (aired Nov. 5, 2014) featuring Matt Bomer (as “Andy,” a gay prostitute). What transpires between the two is teased as a sexual encounter, but the result is a much more sinister and sick type of “pleasure.”
The series also exposed us to “Lobster Boy” Jimmy Darling (Evan Peters) who was compensated to use his fused fingers to pleasure socialites vaginally and anally, simultaneously. Prominently featured “attractions” were also Bette and Dot Tattler (Sarah Paulson), conjoined twins who has insatiable fantasies of their own – and Desiree Dupree (Angela Basset) who boasted a “ding-a-ling” (an enlarged clitoris) and three breasts.
How interesting is it though that these instances (as featured on AHS) are branded as an “American Horror Story?” Ironic, right? Yes, and as you can see from the “original post” below, this bizarre sexual obsession is nothing new, but I sense there is a shift on the horizon with the imminent success of Fifty Shades of Grey – and I’m calling it the “Fifty Shades Effect.” Stay tuned to see what we’ll be embracing soon.
ORIGINAL POST (below, from June 4, 2014):
Penis. Vagina. Queer Sex. BDSM.
When each of the above words or acronyms are visualized in cinema or television in the United States, harsher scrutiny is applied by American censors (MPAA, FCC). It’s something film and media students have discussed amongst themselves and in their classes for years. How can a person be more permissibly tortured and graphically killed in a franchise like SAW (2004-2010) beneath an R-rating, while “a scene of explicit sexual content” in a film like Blue Valentine (2010) warrants an NC-17? This well-documented dilemma has been discussed and contested multiple times, yet European films are reputed to be more sexually liberal – until recently.
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American movies and television are beginning to embrace sex more freely, but violence isn’t tapering off. Instead, what’s happening is a blending of sex and violence and audiences are witnessing controversial, discomforting, and sometimes erotic scenes or images. Below I’ll present to you several recent instances that illustrate America’s new-found obsession with bizarre sex.
Let’s begin first with a title making headway with our new fixation: American Horror Story (2011-).
Fans of FX’s original series will immediately recognize any number of scenes depicting controversial sex. Season one, “Murder House,” repeatedly teases and shows a man donning a bondage suit. The man is the source of Vivien Harmon’s (Connie Britton) psychological torment and eventual rape. Then, the significantly darker season two, “Asylum,” provides viewers with even more controversial “love.” From the nearly instant death of Leo Morrison (Adam Levine) mid-fellatio to start the season, to Shelley’s (Chloe Sevigny) sexual advances toward Nazi doctor Arthur Arden (James Cromwell), to Sister Jude’s (Jessica Lange) fantasy with Monsignor Timothy Howard (Joseph Fiennes) – American Horror Story: Asylum upped the ante for bizarre TV sex – then came “Coven.”

According to creator Ryan Murphy, season three was tonally lighter – but Coven wasn’t devoid of bizarre sex. If anything, Coven pushed the boundaries further. Viewers of the show will recall several edgy instances of sex, most notably Queenie’s (Gabourey Sidibe) with the Minotaur (Ameer Baraka). As she encouraged the mythical beast to mount her, Queenie motions her hands to lift her skirt and begs the line, “Don’t you wanna love me?” Additionally, the season featured a satanic, snake-laden pregnancy ritual between Cordelia Foxx (Sarah Paulson) and husband Hank (Josh Hamilton), and an implied/lightly featured incestuous relationship between Kyle (Evan Peters) and his mother that was interwoven with an on-going necrophilia-ménage-a-tois between Kyle, Zoe Benson (Taissa Farmiga) and Madison Montgomery (Emma Roberts).
American Horror Story isn’t the only show to present necrophilia or incest in primetime, either. These themes figure prominently into two other top-rated shows, one airing on FOX, the other on A&E.
Season two of FOX’s The Following (2013-) features Sam Underwood as twin brothers Luke and Mark. The brothers calculatingly murder and dine with female corpses amidst sexual suggestion and homoerotic, incestuous undertones. What is the basis for their strong connection to one another? Yes, they’re fighting for the same cause as serial killers and rapists, but is it normal for these brothers to be intimate together? What about their unyielding commitment to one another? Luke and Mark’s connection is suggestively deeper than brotherhood, though it’s not overstated and was downplayed after the first few episodes.

A&E’s Bates Motel (2013-) poses a similar question – this time about the relationship between mother and son. For two seasons, Bates Motel has been teasing Norman’s (Freddie Highmore’s) obsession with his mother Norma (Vera Farmiga). Season one featured a surprising, but inevitable (perhaps “predictable” would be a better word) kiss and awkward relationship between the two. Season two pushes the envelope a little further by not only depicting more shared kisses, but by placing the characters in bed (non-sexually) together on different occasions, and by revealing a previous instance of incest – the rape of Norma. The entire premise of Bates Motel is to explore the psyche of Norman Bates pre-Psycho (1960), so naturally, the relationship will only intensify.

Intensity’s become a key factor in both television and cinematic sex. Take the movie 300: Rise of an Empire (2014) for example. The sex scene between Persian naval leader Artemisia (Eva Green) and the Grecian Themistocles (Sullivan Stapleton) is one of the most intense I’ve ever seen. Mortal enemies on opposing armies, the two come together to forge a deal and end up engaging in a fierce scene where seduction is filled with danger, passion is replaced by power and violence becomes empowering. From this – what appears as a psychosexual game – allows Artemisia finds superiority against her male counterpart.
While I’m not saying Hollywood hasn’t exploited female sexuality to “empower” women in TV or movies, I am saying that there’s been a shift in the way women have presented and owned their sexuality. In 300: Rise of an Empire, Artemisia exists as a formidable force beyond her sexuality before and after the scene – and during the scene, she was always in control. Take the Starz series Spartacus(2010-2013) for another example. Creator Steven S. DeKnight gave the series several strong, empowered female leads – notably Lucretia (Lucy Lawless) and Ilithyia (Viva Bianca). Both women existed in the aristocratic echelon of society – and while they employed seduction and sex to further their own political agendas, they also used sex for pleasure, to objectify men (their property), and each other.

Spartacus’ most intriguing (and relevant) sex comes during season one (“Blood and Sand”), after Ilithyia oversteps her bounds in the eyes of Lucretia. Ilithya desires one of Lucretia’s slaves, but the one Lucretia delivers only ensures humiliation. Ilithyia’s sex scene with Spartacus (Andy Whitfield) delivers eroticism and fantasy to the viewer, but also on the murkiness becoming common-place in TV/movie sex. The scene is immediately followed by two acts of violence that increase in severity and gruesomeness. The erotic nature of draped sheets, gold body paint and secretive masks co-exists with themes of deception, humiliation, anonymity, and shame, yet the moment exists to create (or to inspire?) fantasy and allure. No longer are men using women regularly for sexual exploitation – women are now using their sexuality against each other and men.
Deceptive “use” is a keystone figuring prominently into another primetime show airing on FX – The Americans (2013-). The Americans introduced us to Phillip (Matthew Rhys) and Elizabeth (Keri Russell) Jennings, two covert KGB agents in America during the 1980s. In disguise, throughout seasons one and two, Phillip and Elizabeth both employ sexual activity to gain information from the US government. The twist comes during season one when we repeatedly see Elizabeth disregard sex and harbor no emotional attachments, whereas Phillip becomes entangled in a faux marriage to FBI secretary Martha (Alison Wright). The double life begins progressively affecting Phillip, becoming noticeable later (in season two) to Elizabeth.
After involving herself out of necessity, Elizabeth learns about Phillip as a lover to Martha, and asks Phillip to become “Clark,” his alter-ego with her for a night. The scene is riddled with discomfort – Phillip is visibly frustrated and Elizabeth is left in pain, crying on the bed. Here we have another instance where deception becomes a violent and emotionally damning sexual act – and we have a sexual relationship (Martha-Clark) built entirely on false pretense and the objectification of a woman. The irony is that the same show sexually empowers and demeans women and men. Is this depiction real? Are people this easily manipulated by sex?

There’s a particular scene in the 2013 movie The Counselor, starring Cameron Diaz, that addresses my last statement and question. While Malkina (Diaz), an affiliate to the Mexican drug cartel, is empowered through cunning, association, and sex, she is demeaned by what could be considered one of the most bizarre sexual acts to ever be featured in a movie. I’m talking about the moment she mounts a Ferrari and does the splits on the windshield, to seduce her boyfriend Reiner (Javier Bardem). Interesting to note however, Reiner finds the moment less erotic and more unnerving and intimidating.
This moment and Diaz’s entire performance are powerful. She’s continuously revered for her feminist traits, including intelligence, independence and boldness (which are stated overtly throughout the movie), but also for her incredible sex appeal. All of these traits combine to create a dynamic and unpredictable female lead. So are people easily manipulated through sex? The answer seems to be that there are great powers in act of seduction – and if you’ve seen the end of The Counselor you know the answer to the question.
But while a woman like Malkina does exist, so too does a woman like Law & Order: SVU‘s (1999-) Olivia Benson (Mariska Hargitay). Since 1999, Detective Benson has been a beacon of hope for strong female leads – in television and cinema. She’s been portrayed as an intelligent woman not reliant upon her sexuality and as an equal member of the male dominated police force. She’s risen through the ranks and now exists as the top-billed character and face of the show as it enters it sixteenth season. Detective Benson has done well for herself – until being confronted by an intense arc that sees her victimized by serial rapist and murderer William Lewis (Pablo Schreiber).

Lewis, one of SVU‘s most terrifying villains, is known to torture girls before raping and killing them. He is eroticized by the helplessness of women – Benson becomes his strongest, most resilient target – his prize. In the squad room, Lewis’ objective is clear: he wants his victims to fight for life, to resist him – it feeds his desire for power. He tortures them (forces them to consume alcohol, burns them with cigarettes, and terrifies them with guns). The last moments of these women’s lives are hell – but the Benson-Lewis saga was successful enough that it survived beyond the season fourteen finale and season fifteen premier and carried throughout all of season fifteen.
Why was SVU‘s victimization of Benson such a successful storyline? Was it because the crime-procedural had an actual arc? Or was it because of Schreiber and Hargitay’s amazing work together? It could be either of those things, but it could also be because fans liked seeing Olivia Benson in peril, fighting for her dignity and for her life. The question “Will Lewis rape Benson?” loomed over all of their interactions, especially Benson’s captivity. Fans cringed at the idea, but had to know how or if Benson would survive William Lewis. Could she carry on as a detective (and later sergeant) if she were to have been raped by Lewis? Could this man undo one of TV’s most powerful women?
In some odd way, Benson in peril made for compelling television – and the “will she or won’t she” be raped intrigue caused people to tune in. Despite the dynamics, the fact that Lewis’ sexual obsessions and crimes warranted a season-long arc is noteworthy. His lust blended with violence, and his appetite for rape and death was unnerving, but the character “William Lewis” was a perfect fit for the media’s bizarre new obsession.

More recently, on Showtime’s freshman horror series Penny Dreadful (2014-) we find the character Dorian Gray (Reeve Carney). While the series is just beginning, and its unknown to viewers where Gray is headed sexually or otherwise, we’ve already learned a bit about his twisted infatuations. Through staging, we become aware that Gray is at least bisexual, he’s infatuated with beauty, that he has an affinity for lust and orgies, and that he isn’t phased by people coughing up blood during intercourse (that seemed to excite him further). We’ve also been introduced to his tactics to achieve his desires – notably the scene where he seduces Ethan Chandler (Josh Hartnett) by using a special elixir that inspires a homosexual transgression in Victorian-era London.

It is interesting to note that in 2014, while America is still absurdly sensitive to sex, we find such bizarre instances of sex in so many period pieces like Penny Dreadful (and Spartacus, 300: Rise of an Empire, The Americans). What is it about these times that inspires creators or writers to visualize these societies as sexually explorative and free? Are these interpretations simply fanaticized – or is there merit to the ideas – were those times more provocative than our own? What’s the comment being made toward current society – if these were the sexual attitudes in ancient Greece, Victorian London, or the 1980s?
Perhaps the 2013 movie Her could shed some light on our current state of affairs. Her offers the comment that our society is less-socialized and less interactive, despite being more “social” in a cyber fashion. In our digital age, online dating is popularized, sexting is a norm, and sexual necessities are more easily fulfilled alone (by phone, internet, magazine, erotica novel, etc.). While Her is a gorgeous cinematic achievement, it perhaps offers one of the more bizarre love stories of all – about a man, Theodore (Joaquin Phoenix), who falls in love and has a pseudo-sexual relationship with an operating system named Samantha (Scarlett Johansson). Is this contemporary love? Can this instant companionship replace physical desire or touch? What is the capability for fulfillment and happiness?
If there’s one positive to Her‘s bizarre sexuality, it’s that the element of violence is removed, but at what cost? Theodore is physically lonely – he’s withdrawn and suffers from depression. Is an operating system a suitable replacement for a human? Or is the comment being made by Spike Jones’ feature that we need people to be totally fulfilled – and to feel love? This question, I believe, is posed in Her and I think the overall message affirms that we do need people to love. We do need touch and intimacy.
As I’ve illustrated, the current media climate is welcoming, and the censors seem to be softening, with respect to sex and eroticism in cinema and television. However, the cost for increased instances of sex is that they’re often accompanied by violence (rough sex, demeaning sex, rape) or are so bizarre in nature they’d be considered disturbing (necrophilia, incest, bestiality) to a majority of viewers. Despite featuring more sex (of all types, heterosexual and homosexual), the media seems to be lacking healthy, passionate, loving, or sensual instances of sex. We’re trading those intimate and deep-rooted desires for harsh images and sometimes cruel seduction and saying “That’s what I want.”

What’s worse is that each instance of homosexuality I’ve mentioned has been accompanied by a deviant behavior (deception in Penny Dreadful, and suggestive undertones of incest and necrophilia in The Following). It’s been nearly a decade since Brokeback Mountain revolutionized American cinema and television – and the passionate, loving, and sensual scenes are still fleeting. Take the powerful HBO movie The Normal Heart (2014), the scene filled with passion between Ned (Mark Ruffalo) and Felix (Matt Bomer) is as fleeting as the flashback depicting their first “hookup.” Why is love still unequal? What is so fearful about two men or two women being depicted in a moment of true love or passion?
At the same time, what is so threatening about a woman being sexy – and in control of a heterosexual scene? Why is there still preference to the missionary position – and why can’t there just be stories about love? Why does everything either have to be categorized as bizarre or follow the romantic comedy formula that presents what I call “soap opera sex?” American media’s journey into the sexual realm is beginning to intensify. I just hope sooner, rather than later, we can start displaying love as it should be – not as something that still brings shame, embarrassment, or that disturbs us. Some stories will warrant the types of bizarre sex prevalent in media – but some stories should just be about passionate freedom. Don’t you agree?
Is there a show, a movie, or a scene from either that you’d consider “bizarre sex?” What about something you consider to be about “passionate freedom,” and love? Let me know in the comments section below. Let’s explore this idea together. Thanks for reading.
This is a brilliantly written and well argued essay. I completely agree with your analysis. (It also re-enforces that I’ll never watch Season 2 or 3 of “American Horror Story.” Holy crap!)
Something that you may consider as a partial explanation (not a justification) for why perverse or kinky sexual situations are so much more popular lately in TV and movies. I read an interview with a director a few months ago (I can’t remember who) and he said that audiences are sick of and bored with the classic sex scenes in movies, the bland ones where we see the women’s breasts and possibly the man’s butt cheek but nothing else. The filmmaker said that the scenes (popular in dramas of the 80s and early 90s) just got boring and repetitive while adding nothing to the movie. They were almost a perfunctory coda to a male/female on screen relationship.
So, perhaps sex scenes are making a comeback, but now they are no longer the boring, untittilating male/female missionary the-sheets-cover-everything romps. Maybe TV and movie writers and directors are tapping into our collective desire to see sex, but adding a 21st century update since our society is (slowly) becoming more accepting of alternative lifestyles, fetishes, etc.
What are your thoughts?
I love American Horror Story – and in an interesting way, despite the bizarre sex featured by seasons two (“Asylum”) and three (“Coven”), it is interesting to note, the content featured is in a horror genre show. Though, I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t nervous about the upcoming season (“Freakshow”), which is supposed to feature an evil clown (more evil than Pennywise from Stephen King’s “IT”) and be as dark – if not darker – than “Asylum.” An instance of an evil clown, or sex in a funhouse might disturb me most of all.
I agree with the sentiments of whatever director said that. The 80s/90s sex (what I call “soap opera sex”) is bland and overworked. Those scenes, showing a woman’s breasts or a man’s glutes do become boring and repetitive. If you want that, see any number of Nicholas Sparks adaptations. But I’m curious to know: Would those scenes have gotten boring if we they were staged differently – to show different positions, settings, lighting, scoring, etc.? What if we required the same level of vulnerability from our actors that we do our actresses regarding full-frontal nudity?
Take Magic Mike (2012) for example – the movie was about MALE STRIPPING. Beyond a suggestive silhouette, viewers never receive the gratification they expected, to see a man full-frontal, whereas in a movie like Striptease (1996), actresses performed nude. Do penises offend Americans? Why is there disproportionate nudity?
I think embracing different sexualities, fetishes (think “50 Shades of Grey”), etc. is a progressive move, but do they have to be accompanied by violence or deviant behavior?
In the article I made mention to these characters/shows, but what is the comment offered when Queenie, a plus-sized human voodoo doll, has to find pleasure with a beast (the Minotaur)? Why does Dorian Gray have to use an elixir (basically date-rape) to elicit a homosexual response from Ethan Chandler? Why does Olivia Benson have to risk being raped to attract viewers?
In any of those situations, I think the social comments are clear. The fat girl can’t get the guy – so she tempts a beast. The straight man would NEVER willingly consider a homosexual encounter – that would threaten the definition of what it means to be a man in Hollywood. The strong female detective is vulnerable to being a victim – and this peril makes people want to see how she navigates it. Some probably hope she won’t – others rely on her to survive.
While I applaud (and ultimately enjoy consuming) the expansion of sex in media, I really think the embrace of sexualities, fetishes, etc. needs to adopt more positive association. Deviant, bizarre sex only goes so far – at its current rate, it may become so commonplace that it too grows tiresome.
I think that’s where media has an opportunity to play with sexual staging, nudity, music, lighting, ideas of lust, love, and passion in non-controversial, bizarre, or deviant ways. Why not have a heterosexual character that willingly has a homosexual experience? Why not show penises in equal proportion to breasts or vaginas? Why not depict life as it really is – in literally about 50 shades of grey?
Sex isn’t black and white – it’s not the same as the attitudes of the 80s/90s would suggest. Sometimes there is violence (rough sex, fetishes) and sometimes, those same situations may be full of love. Why not show that?
Huck and Quinn of Scandal are another example that should be included. I don’t think their relationship came as that much of a surprise to fans, but I do think the violent situations that led to the sexual relationship were very shocking to some viewers. I mean the relationship started with a torture scene! (And many licks of the face).The creator of Scandal, Shonda Rimes doesn’t shy away from writing weird sex scenes for Quinn and Huck, I think this is because fans would expect their sexual relationship to be weird to say the least given the mental state of these two!
I agree. I think the Quinn-Huck story/romance is very odd. I had nearly forgotten all about it, so I’m glad you brought it up. These two are “turned on” by torturing people together! Their instances of sex are also unconventional and intense. Isn’t there an instance where they’re having sex and blood is involved? What about the scene where they’re fighting one another?
Huck has tortured Quinn before – he’s even ripped out some of her teeth! …and she still wants to be with him?
I did notice something interesting though. Quinn initially pursues Huck very passively – she shows a genuine interest in him as a person. Then, as the show (around the end season 2/early season 3, I believe) progresses, she begins to transform into – for lack of a better term – monster. She becomes the aggressor. By the end of the third season, they seem to be on equal footing in their bizarre, violent relationship. Yes?
Yes! I absolutely would agree with you!